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Positive Vibrations

5.11a, Trad, Alpine, 1200 ft (364 m), 12 pitches, Grade IV,  Avg: 4 from 367 votes
FA: FA Harrington, Bartlett 8/81. FFA Bard, Lyde 8/86
California > High Sierra > 02 - The Sawtoo… > Incredible Hulk

Description

This is a phenomenal climb, really the cream of the crop for granite crack climbing. The setting, the line, the rock quality and the climbing itself are all absolutely superb. Although it's continuously steep and strenuous, the movement is very straightforward and above all, fun. No awkward or unaesthetic sections, just clean finger and hand jamming.

P1: 5.9/10a crack. Still not fully awake at this point. Legs as stiff as tree trunks from the hike in.

P2: 5.10c. This starts in a striking finger crack. This woke us up! Excellent sharp fingerlocks in the cool morning air. Higher, follow features right, then left to a ledge.

P3: 5.11a. Some moderate climbing, then the first crux, a blank traverse right. This is one of two pitches rated 11a and we found it to be the easier of the two. The crux is a little reachy (easier if you're tall) but it's over quick. You do traverse past your gear for a couple moves on thin smears but you can see what you're reaching for- a bomber steep handcrack which takes you to the belay.

P4: 5.10b. Really nice stemming and jamming in a big chimney to a huge ledge. This pitch is easy to spot from the base. From here you move onto the upper arete, which is followed for another 4-5 pitches. A very fun pitch.

P5: 5.9/10a. Already giddy from the fantastic climbing so far, we looked up and realized the best was yet to come. Meander up and left to a deluxe handcrack next to the arete. This takes you to a classic belay ledge right on the arete, at which point you should be pretty much euphoric. We thought this was a standout pitch.

P6: 5.11a. The crux pitch starts in a steep dihedral with tricky thin moves in real smooth rock. It's pretty full-on (5.10c/d), one of the most insecure sections on the route. Climb up to a roof (also 5.10+, also full-on) then up a nice finger crack to a small stance. The crux finger cracks cut up and left across golden, vertical granite to another airy stance on the arete. The moves are technical and exposed and just COOL. Steep thin fingerlocks, great body position... at risk of hyperbole, THIS is a classic pitch!

P7: 5.10c/d. Go up 2-3" cracks for a ways into a right facing corner with a detached block. Below the block, traverse right and crank through a technical, sustained stemming/thin crack section. We split the pitch in two, and this last section still seemed really hard. In any case, it's brilliant climbing, another beautiful pitch.

P8: 5.10b. A handcrack leads to a small ledge on the arete, just below the ridge. You do not need to go all the way to the ledge, but we wound up here and were fine with breaking this pitch in two as well. It's actually a pretty sweet ledge, secure and very airy. Either way, you want to get over to the plum-straight hand crack about 15' right. This takes you right to the summit ridge. The dizzying exposure here is augmented by the incredible geometry of the ridge. We thought this was one of the coolest pitches on the route, and a great finish to the hard climbing.

At this point, you're on the leftmost tip of the sharp ridge which appears from below to be the summit. (It took us 10 pitches to get here, in our pedestrian fashion. The guidebook says 8 which is certainly reasonable.) Now you traverse right for 100-150 yards. We thought the routefinding was slightly weird, actually, perhaps someone has better beta on the "best" way to go here. In any case, you shouldn't be doing anything too difficult or gaining any altitude, and you should be out of sight of the valley below. After a bit, you can see what you're aiming for, the final wall with a blocky crack in it. Climb two moderate pitches (see the Red Dihedral description for info on these pitches, and the descent) and through the weird manhole to the top. Congratulations on a super climb and a great summit!

Location

On the NW end of the Hulk. The first 4 pitches follow right-angling crack systems to a big chimney. The rest of the climb follows the knockout arete above.

Protection

full rack to 3". Many finger-hand size pieces.

Photos [Hide ALL Photos]

Justin Dubois at the crux.
[Hide Photo] Justin Dubois at the crux.
Climbers on the crux of Positive Vibrations, 5.11a (Photo taken June 22 2013)
[Hide Photo] Climbers on the crux of Positive Vibrations, 5.11a (Photo taken June 22 2013)
Aaron and Clark (I think) on P.V.
[Hide Photo] Aaron and Clark (I think) on P.V.
Positive Vibrations Pitch 5
[Hide Photo] Positive Vibrations Pitch 5
Rob leading up Splittersville, pitch 7.
[Hide Photo] Rob leading up Splittersville, pitch 7.
Tom near the top.
[Hide Photo] Tom near the top.
David on pitch 5 of Positive Vibrations.
[Hide Photo] David on pitch 5 of Positive Vibrations.
Climbers on the beautiful steepness of P.V.
[Hide Photo] Climbers on the beautiful steepness of P.V.
Climbers on Positive Vibrations as seen from the top of the Red Dihedral pitch.
[Hide Photo] Climbers on Positive Vibrations as seen from the top of the Red Dihedral pitch.
Classic corners on the 3rd pitch.
[Hide Photo] Classic corners on the 3rd pitch.
The crux pitch. Had to use alternate belay (one bolt + gear) due to ropes getting stuck under the roof below.
[Hide Photo] The crux pitch. Had to use alternate belay (one bolt + gear) due to ropes getting stuck under the roof below.
Filip pulls through the second 11a crux.
[Hide Photo] Filip pulls through the second 11a crux.

Comments [Hide ALL Comments]

[Hide Comment] The best quality route I've done in the Sierra's. Nearly as good as the climbing on the Elephant's Perch. Jun 8, 2007
[Hide Comment] To echo El Presidente, a superb route. Almost as good as the Pool Wall. BTW, if you've been to the Hulk summit already and want to skip it on this route, it is possible to rappel. The first rappel begins about 20ft. climber's right of the end of the eighth pitch (per Croft topo). Be forewarned, it is VERY possible to get your ropes stuck on this rappel route (lots of flakes, blocks, etc.). Take that into consideration. About 1-1/2 hr. for descent. Still faster than going to the summit and walking down. We had two ropes; I believe a 70 meter MIGHT do (some guys at the base said an 80 meter was required!), but am unsure as I did not examine the rope remaining after each rappel. The last few rappels hit Positive Vibrations at the top of the 4th pitch. All except the first are bolted, but the slings are poor on a few stations. Jul 31, 2007
Dave Vaughan
Boulder, CO
[Hide Comment] Remember your sandals for the delightful swamp approach... Also, watch for drag on the crux pitch as it weaves around a bit. Apres Hulk, go for the chocolate cream pie at the Mono Village Cafe! Aug 15, 2007
Nick Stayner
Wymont Kingdom
  5.10+
[Hide Comment] The cruxes (esp. compared to some of the single-pitch stuff of the same grade in the Valley and Tuolumne) are not that bad, especially if you're a strong face climber. Don't let them scare you away because loads of amazing, outstanding, superb 5.10 crack climbing abound. Do it!!
A couple of notes:

Rack: We brought some brass and the green, red, and yellow C3s. All were used, and the C3s were really nice on the technical crux as well as a couple of tips sections.

1) With a 70, link the first two pitches (the 9+/10a and the 10c tips). The crux sections are not sustained and it doesn't require any extra gear to do this. Plus you can stop at a fatty pair of rap bolts for the belay this way.

2) A good way to do the second crux pitch: Build a belay after the 10d fingers section at a bolt right where you traverse towards the crux boulder problem. This shortens the crux and allows you to do it without 35 m+ of rope drag behind you. Aug 2, 2008
Michael Ybarra
on the road
 
[Hide Comment] One of the absolute best climbs you will ever do. The first 11 section is pretty easy unless you're short--many of the 10 sections are much harder. The second 11 is quite a bit more tricky.

One thing to be aware of: the stemming start to P6 is reasonably technical on small wires and questionable cams (a .75 in a flare and a .4 before moving to the roof and the first bomber gear in 30 feet or so; you can protect the belay by placing a .75 in a horizontal before stepping into the stem).

On the walk-out we ran into Jim D. who was headed up to PV and asked for gear beta. Jul 25, 2009
[Hide Comment] I thought this route was better then Astroman! Aug 2, 2009
Karsten Duncan
Sacramento, CA
 
[Hide Comment] Was nice to find this route has much superior rock to the red dihedral route. Everypitch was really pleasant.

I found the last pitch going to the ridge was not straightforward once you topout on the ridge. The supertopo was not very clear where to go after you hit the top of the ridge. I am curious as to where others go there. The way we went seemed seldom traveled. I have heard some people traverse right instead of straight up on the 8th pitch to reach the ridge before you traverse right (southeast) toward the red dihedral finish. Aug 11, 2009
Braden Downey
Bishop, CA
 
[Hide Comment] HEADS UP for anyone using Supertopo on Pos Vibes / Sun Spot... McNamara is usually right on with his beta; however, I would have been better off throwing his ridge beta out the window and just stuck with my nose on this one.

Supertopo says, "... keep to the ridge for the best rock or drop down onto the N (left) side for easier climbing but looser rock.."

I don't advise dropping onto the N side by any means until AFTER you stick to the ridge via a 5th class chimney system that spits you out on a ledge on the N side of the true ridge. Tunneling is required here. Once on the ledge, loose class 2/3 take you along the left side of the ridge until you meet up with the Red Dihedral finish, which leads to the summit.

Once on the summit, head toward the S Ridge and take a left at a prominent cairn. Downclimb 3rd class to the north side of the ridge to the rap anchor. I thought it was more like 90-100' than the 80' rap described in Supertopo.


Aug 23, 2009
[Hide Comment] Markguycan't... two stars? Really? And you're four-starring a bunch of Sedona choss? Seriously, put down that crack pipe. Jul 7, 2010
Brady Robinson
Boulder, CO
 
[Hide Comment] Fantastic Route! Go do it. We stayed on top of the ridge at the top which was a bad idea for several reasons, not the least of which being that we were struck by lightning. Just got a little ground current but it was enough to freak our shit out a bit. After listening to our gear buzz for 20 minutes we made a dash and found some 5.8 climbing on the ridge and then a 15 foot rap that put us just about at the top of the Red Dihedral. Jul 25, 2010
Bob Rotert
Broomfield
 
[Hide Comment] Another Hulk classic. Amazing rock and amazing climbing. The crux pitch was stellar!! Jan 31, 2011
Victor Lawson
Bishop, CA
 
[Hide Comment] THE BEST multipitch rock climb that i have EVER done. May 16, 2011
Andy Bennett
Tucson, AZ
 
[Hide Comment] Any one know/recall how many of the belays are gear? Jul 11, 2011
e Dixon
Durango, CO
 
[Hide Comment] The first 5 pitches per the Croft topo have bolted anchors (to below the crux pitch), after that they are gear. This is, without a doubt, one of the best rock climbs I have done...sustained, high-quality, and just good fun. Aug 4, 2011
[Hide Comment] A true classic. Exceeded all expectations. I can't wait to go back. A single 70m will get you down the venturi. Sep 4, 2011
Pavel K
 
[Hide Comment] Unless you are strong or know the moves for the 11a on P6, I would highly recommend setting up intermediate belay at the bolt on P6, before moving into the 11a section. Otherwise, if you peel off at the end of the 180ft (or so) pitch, you could go for a long ride, plus rope drag gets really bad as well.
The first 11a section on P3 is more like 10a... Sep 15, 2011
Daniel Trugman
Reno, NV
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] I have to disagree with the above comment about setting up the intermediate belay on the crux pitch (P6). That's one of the coolest pitches I've ever done, and breaking it up would be a real shame. The gear is good for the final crux, and rope drag isn't that bad. Plus the belay ledge right after the crux is really neat.

I do agree that P3 is substantially easier than P6, but 5.10a is probably a big sandbag for those under 6'. Sep 16, 2011
Pavel K
 
[Hide Comment] For the record and my comment on the P3 "crux" - I'm 5'9. For example, I thought the beginning traverse of P6 on Rostrum (the OW pitch) - rated 10c - was harder that this P3 on PV.
Regarding breaking up (or not) P6 of PV - to each its own :-) Feb 3, 2012
Lukasz Fidkowski
Seattle, WA
[Hide Comment] Some more beta: On the initial stemming dihedral on pitch 6, I found a decent #3 camalot placement, which took the sting out of that section. Both 11a cruxes are easier if you're tall; the second one is just a big reach from an undercling for tall people. I thought pitch 7 was pretty hard, and the traverse right under the roof a bit tricky. You want to traverse low (don't place gear under the spooky flake). The first incipient crack you pass doesn't take much pro (I got an ok #2 camalot), and the one you finally get into takes thin gear for a while, staying pretty sustained until the final 10a step left.

Overall an amazing route. Looking forward to trying Sunspot next. Jul 13, 2012
Hamik Mukelyan
Palos Verdes, Los Angeles
[Hide Comment] Awesome climb! (Duh.) There is a very loose, yet chalked, block right after the first 11a crux in the little roof. I would avoid it! Aug 22, 2012
Nick Stayner
Wymont Kingdom
  5.10+
[Hide Comment] Wow 45/46 rate this thing 4 stars... gotta be one of the highest quality ratings on Mountain Project! So much fun. Nov 29, 2012
Colonel Mustard
demoted again
 
[Hide Comment] Amazing! 5 star Cali Dude-style alpinism.

It's truly in range of the 5.10+ trad leader who has the endurance for pitch after pitch of 5.10.

Two things: Sometimes those rope stretcher pitches really leave you lacking the requisite pieces. Budget accordingly, or split the pitch up.

Rope drag on the 6th pitch can be truly heinous. I would sling everything long under the roof next time. Aug 18, 2013
Tyson Waldron
Reno, NV
 
[Hide Comment] Beta alert!!! I found myself scared and seemingly stranded when, right at the top off Pitch 8, I was horrified to discover the endless series of perfect hand jams had run out.

Luckily, I was able to survey the situation, and realized this had only occurred due to the mountain also coming to an end.

Using this information, I was able to calm myself enough to make the rap back to the base of this climb...But you too should be prepared for this discovery, as after 1000 feet of continuous perfect hands and locks, this point will no doubt come as a very disorienting discovery. Aug 18, 2013
Patrick O'Neil
Santa Clara, CA
 
[Hide Comment] I think the height conversations re: the cruxes on this route miss the point. Say what you want about the ratings of the two .11a sections on this route, they're two completely different types of cruxes. The first is delicate/technical climbing above marginal gear that could result in an unkind fall if pieces failed - just keep your head about you. The second .11a is a boulder problem requiring quite a bit more strength, power and sequence (this probably feels much harder than it is because it's atypical for this 1200-foot route that's predominately made up of splitter cracks). Aug 19, 2013
[Hide Comment] We used the Venturi raps (3 raps with a single 70m down the Venturi shield to reach the PV stations). While pulling the rope on the second Venturi rap, the rope got brutally stuck in a perfect rope-eating crack above the end of the rappel. Call us unlucky or unskilled, but we also got the rope stuck on the last rap to the ground -- jeesh. Exceptional route in any event. PS, be prepared to chose an alternative line if the weather is stable; 5 parties were on the PV the day before we did it, and 2 on it the day we did (and oh so slow). Aug 24, 2013
Peter Lewis
Bridgton, ME
[Hide Comment] Re: Tyson W. comment...hysterical. I usually read all the comments for beta purposes (cause I'm a scared wimp most of the time and want all the info I can get). But sometimes the comments just make me smile. I hope I can get on this route someday!!! Oct 25, 2013
[Hide Comment] FINAL PITCH BETA
Approximately 100' up the final pitch (Supertopo pitch 8) you will see a single bolt (just out of reach) on your left side (Supertopo optional belay). Near this spot you must traverse RIGHT on a small ledge with some broken rock to gain the final crack (not obvious) to the top. It's helpful to have three #2 Camalots if you plan to do it as one mega 200' pitch.

NOTE: If you don't do this traverse and keep going straight up, the route will continue up a chossy hand crack (watch out for a large loose block in the crack) and dead end at a ledge on the arete about 40ft below the summit and you will have to down climb and do the traverse.


RAPPEL BETA (single 70m or 80m rope)
To avoid getting your rope stuck. From the sub-summit ledge, locate the Venturi rappel nest (15' to climbers right) and rappel to a small ledge with a fixed nut anchor (and sling nest). STOP HERE and pull your ropes even though you will see another rappel station 30 feet below you. Your rope may reach the bolted station below you (80m will for sure), but it is likely that your rope will get stuck at the nut/sling nest ledge (ours did).

Rappel stations below this are all proper bolted anchors and are mostly easy to see, even at night.

As mentioned above, the Venturi rappel eventually joins with the TOP of the 4th pitch of PV (just above the "10b step right" section). We stopped here to pull the rope, then did a second short (30') rappel to the anchors below. Our 80m rope would have PROBABLY reached the lower anchor, but it looked there was potential for the rope to get stuck on that ledge, so we played it safe.

To locate the final rappel station with a single rope, from the top of the second pitch rap station, swing or trend climbers left about 30' to reach the anchor.

We rappelled with an 80m rope, which felt comfortable because most rap anchors looked to be a full 35m apart, however I do know people that have done it with a single 70m rope (with shenanigans).

The whole rappel experience is stressful and time consuming, there are many places for the rope to get stuck. When rappelling, I suggest coiling your rope over your shoulders and lowering down sections at a time, especially when windy.


OTHER BETA
The top of Supertopo pitch 5 has two sets of bolted anchors, one set on the windy exposed side of the arete and another set to the left of the arete in a more sheltered spot.

There is a bolted anchor at the top of Supertopo pitch 6 (second crux pitch). A single 70m rope will not reach to the top of pitch 5, however it LOOKED LIKE an 80m rope would reach. With a 70m it LOOKED POSSIBLE to lower to just past the bolt before the 11a section and swing 30' to the climbers right (on to the face) and reach the Venturi(?) anchors. It might be difficult to do the swing with wind.

We linked pitches 1 & 2 and had no problems with rope drag.

The Supertopo pitch 6, 11a crux felt SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the pitch 3, 11a crux. We split pitch 6 into two pitches at the bolt, This eliminated the rope drag for the crux. Sep 9, 2014
jdm
[Hide Comment] tallmark515 said:
> To avoid getting your rope stuck. From the sub-summit ledge, locate the Venturi rappel nest (15' to climbers right) and rappel to a small ledge with a fixed nut anchor (and sling nest). STOP HERE and pull your ropes even though you will see another rappel station 30 feet below you. Your rope may reach the bolted station below you (80m will for sure), but it is likely that your rope will get stuck at the nut/sling nest ledge (ours did).


Yes, ours did exactly that despite being warned that it might. If I remember correctly it landed on the ledge and got wrapped around a block. I frigged my way back up to the ledge via the L hand crack. There were two rather dubious nuts in the crack above the ledge joined together with some cord. I added two more nuts and some more cord and rapped back down to the bolted anchor below on one rope while being protected by the other at the belay (we had 2x60m 8mm ropes) and pulled the rope easily. I really wouldn't have wanted to have both of us sitting on that ledge, both relying on that anchor. Maybe it's better now? Maybe it should be bolted? Maybe another solution is to pull the rope sharply outwards to avoid it landing on the ledge? It cost us quite a bit of time and we just got to the ground as it became pitch dark...

I should add that this was Sept 2012 so perhaps this intermediate belay is better now. Sep 10, 2014
Mike
Phoenix
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] This is a spectacular route on a spectacular formation! Oct 8, 2014
[Hide Comment] The tearing winds made this route a breeze ;)
I found a large turd on the ledge of the 4th pitch. It was difficult to avoid dragging my rope through it. While reviewing mountain project commentary for the Diamond, I learned that the most obvious solution for on route defecation is to use a water bottle. I'm disappointed this technique was not employed on such a beautiful piece of granite like the Hulk. Jun 25, 2016
tahoemnts Schroeder
Truckee, California
[Hide Comment] Is supertopo the best topo for this route? What topo recommendations can you give? Got some good beta from the comments already.

How does this route compare to the OZ which we did last week? I've done Red Dihedral but not anything else on the Hulk yet. Jul 17, 2016
Ryan Arnold
SLC
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] Few thoughts after our trip last weekend:
1. Cross the river using an awesome and clearly marked trail by the big boulder/pine tree in a meadow, roughly 45-55 minutes into the hike. This avoids all marsh.
2. Very windy route, cold even in August.
3. Long pitches! Run it out, split up pitches, or if you want pro every 20 feet, bring triples to #2 (and a #3). Every pitch after the fourth seemed to go on forever.
4. First two Venturi rap stations have been updated with bomber stainless rap systems (apparently used to be nests of nuts). Third one (30 feet below second) had two decent looking bolts and some old biners. Avoid a stuck rope by using that third station.
5. First Venturi rap station is around 20 feet climber's right from the top of the route.
6. Apparently you have to climb into that nasty looking chimney 150 feet along the ridge to make it up to the final two pitches and summit? That wasn't clear to us and we ended up rapping. Curious about other options. Confusing ridge system. Aug 8, 2016
[Hide Comment] Windy Aug 8, 2016
CritConrad
Bend, OR
 
[Hide Comment] There is a very large loose block on quite literally the last moves of the route on top of pitch 8.
In this photo mountainproject.com/v/10837… it is the block that the rope is running over. It flexed easily with very little effort Aug 20, 2016
Max Tepfer
Bend, OR
 
[Hide Comment] For maximum fun and minimum belaying: link 1 and 2, 3 and 4, (to intermediate rappel anchor in chimney or a bit of simuling to higher anchor) the rest of 4 and 5, pitch out 6, and link 7 and 8.

Edit to add: after doing this thing for the 4th time, I (finally) realized that the way to keep the roof from eating your rope on the crux pitch is to place gear in the splitter on the left during the slippery stemming and don't put a long sling on it. This will pull the rope left and away from the crack/lip of the roof. Sep 16, 2016
Will M.
Oakland
[Hide Comment] I don't normally tape up but I found my hands were pretty worked by the end of this climb after all the heroic hand jamming on alpine granite. If I did it again I'd use tape. Jul 18, 2017
Doc Holliday
CO
 
[Hide Comment] RIDGE ANTI-BETA:
If going to the summit do NOT follow SuperTopo's ridge beta and drop to the left side of the ridge. We did, drop left (when facing the summit), about 20m after the rap bolts by downclimbing some blocks and then traversing towards the summit for a couple hundred meters. This led us to the two absolute worst pitches I've ever climbed. Exploding kitty litter would be generous. Not at all recommended. Aug 27, 2017
Juan Pe
Quilmes
[Hide Comment] Is there a topo for that route? Sep 14, 2017
Natalie N
Bishop, CA
 
[Hide Comment] Comments from a below average height climber:

-Didn't find the supposedly reachy first 11a pitch to be all that reachy. It's all there - just feet and body weight positioning.
-Was surprised by the reachiness of the 10b traverse at the end of P4. Took a little bit to figure out the beta, but it's also all there.
-Found the traverse near the detached block on P7 to be reachiest of them all. I just kind of leaned and hoped it'd work out. It did.

For reference, I'm 5'2. With all that said, don't let the reachiness dissuade you from leading - it all felt relatively safe at those points.

+1 for wearing tape gloves. Mine were shredded by the end of the day. Jul 31, 2018
Stephen L
Atl GA
5.11a
[Hide Comment] An inadvertent deviation from the topo/route on Pitch 8...

Where SuperTopo says "No" off right from the pitch 7 belay... I went there. Up a low angle and flared/shallow finger crack, to a small stance below another finger crack that goes up the middle of the face (slightly dirty with a dangerous loose block about 40' up from the stance). It eventually meets up with the long hand crack to the top of the ridge. Off route, but fun. Some stiff (10-something) moves in the incipient crack off the stance.
I simply wasn't paying attention to any topo and started climbing out right from the belay instead of the obvious line out left. I am curious if anyone else has made this mistake. Made for an interesting finish to an amazing day of climbing! Aug 13, 2019
Will Buchanan
Seattle, WA
 
[Hide Comment] RAPPELLING with a 70m is easily doable off the Venturi Effect anchors. You will find rap rings the whole way down; take the intermediate stations when you find them. 1-2 raps will be a full 35m. Sep 8, 2019
Austin Donisan
San Mateo, CA
 
[Hide Comment] When doing the 3rd (4th if doing the mini 2nd rap) make sure you look far enough climber's left for the next anchor (P8 Venturi anchor). It's only a 90' rap and a fair bit climber's left. If you start passing a line of bolts you went too far and now need to swing 20' left, too. Jul 14, 2020
Michael Arriola
Truckee, CA
[Hide Comment] Jumping on the bandwagon - Amazing route!! Let's talk about the first half of the crux pitch (6). In my experience, doubling up on black totems in here will alleviate the need for RP's and you can supplement with 000 C3. we split the pitch up, and if you're going for the full pitch in 1 you will want to go nuts with extending everything as rope drag was already starting around the corner and above the bulge. Aug 10, 2020
Colin Brochard
Tahoma
  5.10d PG13
[Hide Comment] It's as good as they say. A couple of notes:
- The two 11a "boulders" were pretty reasonable (I'm 6'4 so take this with a grain of salt). As others have said, the true difficulty of the route lies in its overall sustained nature.
- Routefinding was harder than I expected. High on the route there are a couple of inobvious, and in my opinion, spicy traverses (esp on supertopo p7)
- We stopped at rap rings on the perch 50' short of the true ridge as we were running out of daylight and started rappelling with an 80m. I tried to trend right and find the Venturi raps but never did. The result was a dark, cold, windy and somewhat terrifying rappel back down the route. We bailed some gear on p7 and a couple slings on some bolted traverse lower down... don't recommend. Start early and move quickly friends. Aug 23, 2020
[Hide Comment] Super quality and so fun! The stemming on p6 protects fine with totems. Repels are easy enough to find. Just go get on it! Sep 4, 2020
Tom Georgevits
Richmond
 
[Hide Comment] Stellar route deserving of all the praise gets. We were able to do it in 6 pitches with a 70m rope by linking 1+2, then climbing pitch 3 until the mid anchors of pitch 4 about 30' below the normal end. From there we linked the last 30' of P4 with P5. The only spot that caused bad rope drag was the crux traverse of P3, but lots of alpine draws and foresight can keep it manageable. Also there are bolt anchors at the top of P6 which aren't on the topo. Use the pair on the left to stay a little more out of the wind. Lastly, ditto earlier beta about rappels. I think we did two rope stretchers but also two super short rappels. Maybe 10 total? Jun 7, 2021
Isaac Kroger
Little Rock, AR
 
[Hide Comment] Clarification on P3:
Looking up at P3, there is a bolt about 30-40ft up. PV does not head to this bolt, and does not traverse right at the bolt. From the belay ledge, P3 should start in the right-facing corner at climbers left (first bit is shared with Sunspot). You will do the step across move about 60ft up and it is gear protected.

To clarify, there appears to be a new variation to P3 (the first 11a pitch) with a bolt protecting a step-across move. This variation included a 10ft section of thin protected 12- immediately after the step-across at the bolt. If you find yourself here like I did, you can aid this with brass nuts then traverse right on jugs into the chimney to eventually join the belay at the end of P3.
There is also a line of bolts heading straight up the face from the P3 belay. I believe this is the route Wind Shear. Can anybody confirm? Jun 16, 2021
Alexander Blum
Livermore, CA
  5.11a
[Hide Comment] Some thoughts, and some beta. Do not read if you don't want beta!

The hardest moves on the entire route (for me) were the 10c fingerlocks on P2 (I have fat fingers). We didn't do this, but P3 & P4 link nicely to the high bolts with an 80 m rope, making for an EXCELLENT pitch. The climbing before the first 11a crux is easy enough that you can go light on placements, minimizing rope drag when linking.

The start of P6 is NOT difficult to protect! The cam placements are NOT 'questionable' or flaring, just be patient finding the best spot for each placement. Climbing this section as a chimney, with your butt/hip on the left wall, felt very secure to me. I split the pitch in two, and placed about five good cams in the corner before you reach the traverse. You can't do this if doing the 'full' P6, but if you're not up to that it's easy to sew up the initial corner. Totems, C3s, or other cams with narrow head width make this easier to do.

If you can do P6 as one long pitch, DO IT. To minimize rope drag: 2-3 pieces max in the initial corner, all slung long. Last piece in the corner should be a .75 C4out left. No gear at the undercling rest - do the entire traverse (which is easy) before placing another piece, and sling it long. Protect the steep hands, but no gear in the 'chimney' - go all the away to the little roof first. This will set you up to have no rope drag higher, and plenty of gear left to finish the pitch. There are great no-hands stances high on the pitch, so 'linking' is not any harder than pitching it out, as long as you conserve gear and manage rope drag. I was too nervous to manage the former.

P7 is really, really fun.

Nothing on this route is particularly height-dependent. Plenty of hands and feet at both of the 11a cruxes for folks of any size.

How I would link with an 80m, next time:
P1&P2, P3&P4, P5, P6, P7&P8 (maybe?)

EDIT: John Clark is correct - the idea of linking P7 and P8 is ludicrous.

An 80m rope allows you to do the Venturi descent in 11 rappels, with no rope stretchers.

Rack: We brought 16?! alpine draws, triples in finger sizes, singles of smaller cams (one black totem, one purple metolius), and doubles from 0.5 to #3 C4. A decent selection of nuts, including small offsets. I think next time I would ditch one of the #3's and add one more 0.5 C4. Jul 12, 2021
John Clark
Reno, NV
  5.10d PG13
[Hide Comment] Tested Alexander's linking theory with a very stretchy 80m and a lot of running it out between pieces (20-60' in places). Linked 1&2, 3&4.5 (per Tom's beta), 4.5&5, and 6. We attempted to link 7& 8 since the Croft topo doesn't give pitch lengths, but my wife had to start simuling about 30' before I hit the bolted anchor for the bolted 11d arete, so I diverted to those bolts and belayed there. However, if you really ran it out getting to the last 10a crack and are comfortable with your partner not falling on the first ~100' of P7, then you should still have 2 #2s on your harness and can easily finish up the route.

Overall amazing route as everyone says, but if you know how to hand jam, just rap when you finish P6 and save yourself some boredom and a few raps.
Rack:
Doubles 0.1-3, triple on 0.3,0.4, 0.5, 12 alpines, 1 double length sling
Only used 1 nut to hang our bag up at the base of the route Jul 23, 2021
[Hide Comment] Simply put many of these pitches would be classics on their own. Stack them on top of each other in a superb alpine environment and you get one of the best routes anywhere. Aug 14, 2021
Phillip Gibson
Texas
 
[Hide Comment] Per Isaac's comment above - I also made the mistake of trending right towards the bolt at p3. I'm not going to lie, it felt pretty good for someone to call that 12- because it felt pretty hard. Can anyone confirm what this pitch is and who put it up? Mar 7, 2022